4:34Balaji Srinivasan[ I mean, it's, it's about your specific personality. I mean, personally, I found that, you know, the only kinds of things I can do, like, like founding a company is so hard that you really, you know, there's folks who now kind of do it in almost like a pre-professional way. Like, okay, let me get my MBA by founding something in VC. You know, you'll often hear associates say, oh, I want to be an operator. I'm like operate what? You know, like, I'm sure Alon didn't think of himself as, oh, I'm going to go and be an operator next it's like, he wanted to build something he couldn't buy, which was a trip to Mars. Right. And I think the level of difficulty, psychological difficulty, you know, and, and frankly, economic irrationality in the middle of doing a startup is something that you really can only do if it offers you non-economic ideological rewards, at least, at least for someone like me. ]